Thank you, Gary Hart, for reminding me of my place
in the Democratic Party. Today in the New York Times, Gary Hart had this to say about disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporters who have indicated they will vote for Senator John McCain: "These people are not going to vote for John McCain -- I don't care what they say." With these comments Mr. Hart points out a key difference between the Democratic voter strategy and the Republican voter strategy: The Democrats arrogantly believe that no matter how much and how often they insult their base, it will always come home, wagging its tail behind it. The Republicans think they must always be working to retain their base and to steal some of the other guy's. Thus, have the Dems been out of power for the last eight years and if they're not careful, they will be for another four as well. I say they, because I am one of those disgruntled Hillary supporters and while I won't be voting for John McCain, I may not vote for Senator Obama either.
In the course of this campaign I have heard from several inclusive, well mannered Obama supporters but they have been overwhelmingly outnumbered by mean spirited Obama-ites who make references to both my age and my gender and often call me racist. Now I'm not above a little jibing, in fact, that's half the fun of politics, a little give and take. I, for instance, refer to Obama supporters as Obama-ites and residents of Obama-ville and I would have no problem if his supporters referred to me in some similar way. I have never, however, called Senator Obama, his wife or any of his supporters the kinds of demeaning and chauvinistic terms that many of his supporters have used against me and my candidate. Indeed, many times I have included in my comments on other sites a denunciation of those who have tried to portray Senator Obama in some of the hateful ways which rear their heads amongst posters of a certain ilk.
For most of my voting life I lived in east Tennessee and worked at a company where for a long time I was one of only two Democrats. Trust me there was a lot of back and forth, none of which I ever recall as being as heated as that which has gone on between Obama and Hillary supporters. After the theft of the 2000 election, until Senator Gore's gracious and for the good of the country concession, my office door was covered with political cartoons and articles that I would post which then provoked cartoons and articles from Bush supporters; again, all in reasonably good humor and taste. I have never been treated as badly - to my face - by members of other political parties as I have been treated by residents of Obama-ville.
Without a doubt, Senator Obama cannot be held accountable for the ways in which many of his supporters conduct themselves but I have trouble believing in the transformational abilities of a movement when so many of its members act in ways so diametrically opposed to their supposed philosophy. And, while Senator Obama generally acts in ways which echo his professed intentions, I am troubled that so many of those in his inner circle do not behave in that manner. That being said, I would not vote outside my party of 36 years solely based on bad manners and bruised feelings.
At the moment, though, I don't feel that the Democratic Party is my party. I have been told repeatedly that I am too old, I have been told that merely because I choose to support a white woman over a black man that I am a racist, I have been told my candidate - despite years of hard work for the party, extensive credentials, vast capabilities - should have almost immediately stepped aside for a younger, less experienced and, at this point in his career in my estimation, less qualified man. And the capper is, the party expects my unquestioning loyalty, it assumes that my vote is a given. Well, it's not.
I now consider myself an Independent. I will vote for whom I want, when I want, if I want. It may be that I will see more value in working at ground level, it may be that I will devote myself to non-political causes, it may be that I vote for Senator Obama. The one thing that is certain is the Democrats need my vote even if they don't need me. I am sure the Republicans know that, it might be wise if the Democrats knew it too.





I found this link because you posted it in a comment to an article I wrote. Thank you for your very well stated position.
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Joanne, thank you for taking the time to read my post. I'll keep on the look out for more articles written by you.
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Man, how long are you bitter Democrats going to trot out that tired old whine about the 2000 election being "stolen?" No matter how many times the press and academia have proved that the election was not. No matter how many times you are reminded that the recount the Florida Supreme Court mandated was overturned by the SCOTUS by a 7-2 vote.
It doesn't matter, you've absorbed the "selected not elected" mantra so thoroughly and enshrined it with so many bitter bricks cemented with such vicious hatred, that the truth will never matter.
You'll vote for Obama. You won't have any choice. You've invested too much of your personal identity into an ideology of bitterness. Stop wasting our time with empty threats thrown at "Obama-ites." It won't be long before all is forgotten, all is forgiven, and you are again saying that all is purity and light on the Left and all is dark and evil on the Right.
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Thank you, CC, foryour comment.
We'll never agree on the 2000 election but there is no doubt that you guys took 2004.
As for 2008, I don't know who I will vote for or even if - one thing I'm sure of though, going forward my vote is by no means a given for the Dems in this or any other election.
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I find it highly amusing to see many Hillary supporters point out how much more polite and well-mannered Republicans and Conservatives while engaged in political debates. The Democrats, that is to say "the party of tolerance" is anything but...
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Thank you for the comment, AF.
I have to agree, it's funny - also, sad and depressing.
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Observer;
Your posts are reasoned, courteous, and exhibit independent thinking. And you remain courteous in the face of CosmicConservative's flame-bait. Well done.
Pray continue your civilized behavior and analytical thinking. As you progress, rest assured we have your seat reserved here on the right. You're closer than you think.
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Your congenial comments are much appreciated, CFM.
I'm not sure I will ever again take a permanent seat within any party but it might be nice to sit in on a few conversations.
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I am conservative and republican - voted for W twice and would do it again if he could run. I just wanted to agree with several of the other posters that I too am amazed at your civility. These days it is often hard to find a dem who is not foaming at the mouth!
Perhaps you should consider McCain this year...... just a thought? OB just seems to be a fad. Hillary was the dems best candidate, but evidently she was not as ready on day one as she thought......
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Scott, thank you for your thoughts and for the kind words.
I have enormous respect for Senator McCain and am actually studying his stands on the issues that are important to me, although at the moment I'm having trouble getting reinvigorated for the coming election. Two things that are key for me when looking at JM: who he selects for his VP and whether or not the Swift Boaters make a reappearance. I do know on this last point Senator McCain may not have control over those with whom he is not directly associated. I have been impressed thus far by his attempts to run an honorable campaign.
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